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. >> joy-ann, the old republican party supported civil rights. when you define liberal and conservative, people support medicare with all their hearts and they do like this stuff, they like that we have a mixed capitalism with some social welfare mixed in to soften it and that makes them practical people and makes them liberal in a sense of functionality but not, i'm a liberal. your thoughts? >> you know, i agree. chris, two things have happened over the course of the last 20, 30 years. you have this slow turning away from the ideas of the new deal, at least from other people. the notions that these are handouts when it applies to other people, just by default, any democratic that gets elected, it was illegitimate. and then clinton comes along, he's illegit. you had it with kennedy. dead people in chicago really elected him. then clinton came along. he did win. i would think there was this notion that bill clinton was inherently illegitimate and nothing too extreme to dislodge him from the white house because he was de-facto illegitimate. and i t
. >> joy-ann, the old republican party supported civil rights. when you define liberal and conservative, people support medicare with all their hearts and they do like this stuff, they like that we have a mixed capitalism with some social welfare mixed in to soften it and that makes them practical people and makes them liberal in a sense of functionality but not, i'm a liberal. your thoughts? >> you know, i agree. chris, two things have happened over the course of the last 20, 30...
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rights law. >> take us inside the supreme court and how this works and how they decide what cases get done when and when we might hear some of these decisions. >> well, it's the same procedure. and it's unusual. because if you are in a state, the state supreme court must hear your case. not true here. the supreme court decides for the most part which cases to hear. it takes four votes mong the justices to grand a case. of course, takes five votes to win out of the nine. they confer on which cases they want to talk about. then they vote and then we hear about it on days like today when we get the orders list. but the reason i say with some confidence that they'll take the voting rights act case is because of the way the federal law works. if you get turned down by the federal government, the congress virtually requires the supreme court to hear those. i think it's likely they'll take up the voting rights challenge and the defense of marriage. >> pete williams, always good to see you. thanks. >> my pleasure. >>> the first day of the term prompts today's tweet of the day. luke johnson sa
rights law. >> take us inside the supreme court and how this works and how they decide what cases get done when and when we might hear some of these decisions. >> well, it's the same procedure. and it's unusual. because if you are in a state, the state supreme court must hear your case. not true here. the supreme court decides for the most part which cases to hear. it takes four votes mong the justices to grand a case. of course, takes five votes to win out of the nine. they confer...
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public schools, for example when after the civil rights movement experienced a deep not only resegregation due to taxes but also an elevation of private schools so people can control their private educational spaces. and so this is a really serious crisis. we can't have a shared democracy if we don't share a robust public fear. education is the critical linchpin to maintaining that space. >> cenk: one more thing professor rose if we were all in the same boat, we might be much better off. you think that in l.a. stephen spielberg's kids, tom hanks' kids all the rich movie producers, if they all had to send their kids to public schools, the public schools wouldn't be much better? >> right, not only would they be much better, but we would be able to understand why schools that hoard resources by controlling high tax bases and leaving poor-tax base with fewer resources we would understand why there is such a differential. working people, working parents working teachers who are workers are paying the price that we're balancing the economy on their backs. until there is collective buy-in its dif
public schools, for example when after the civil rights movement experienced a deep not only resegregation due to taxes but also an elevation of private schools so people can control their private educational spaces. and so this is a really serious crisis. we can't have a shared democracy if we don't share a robust public fear. education is the critical linchpin to maintaining that space. >> cenk: one more thing professor rose if we were all in the same boat, we might be much better off....
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rights issues. joining me from the supreme court, nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. pete, we're talking about major cases that will reshape potentially reshape policy for the united states on affirmative action, voting rights, and on gay marriage. >> very much so. let's begin with affirmative action president the court will hear that case next week. every selective university in america uses it in some manner to achieve a racially diverse campus. this is a case from the university of texas. a young high school student there did not qualify automatically as the top 10% of graduates in texas do for admission, so she was looked at in in the remainder of the other 25% of the class, race is a factor, says that's unconstitutional. nine years ago the supreme court gave the green light to colleges to use affirmative action if there were no race neutral methods to get to diversity. the question is whether the court has changed and become more conservative when they look at it they probably won't
rights issues. joining me from the supreme court, nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. pete, we're talking about major cases that will reshape potentially reshape policy for the united states on affirmative action, voting rights, and on gay marriage. >> very much so. let's begin with affirmative action president the court will hear that case next week. every selective university in america uses it in some manner to achieve a racially diverse campus. this is a case from the...
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it's like the campaigns in the early 1900's when women's right to vote was the central civil rights issue in the country. it's like the campaigns in the 1840s in a teen 50's and the election of abraham lincoln. with an issue of or freedom was the central issue in the country. similarly those local elections before the revolution will -- were similar in the way they cast the issue as being one in which there is a status of british citizenship and american citizenship and there is a gap between the two and a gap must be close. the reason i had during this up if i were a candidate i would not be successfully elected because my platform would be to close a civil gap. all of us in this room being somewhat government professionals, we know that budgets are not really about money. they are about civil commitment. budgets are architectures of all the civil commitments that we have made to each other as citizens over many generations and the way in which these commitments and everything from national security to air traffic control, to food safety, all of these commitments accumulated year after y
it's like the campaigns in the early 1900's when women's right to vote was the central civil rights issue in the country. it's like the campaigns in the 1840s in a teen 50's and the election of abraham lincoln. with an issue of or freedom was the central issue in the country. similarly those local elections before the revolution will -- were similar in the way they cast the issue as being one in which there is a status of british citizenship and american citizenship and there is a gap between...
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to uphold or strike down doma, two seriously change a landmark civil rights law, the voting act. are they going to take the steps or are they going to do it incrementally? >> in the same-sex marriage area, it's very difficult to predict. justice kennedy will have to things pointing in different directions. one is that this is animus about groups and the other is that the definition of marriage is a traditional thing. cases like this had no chance of prevailing in the supreme court and there has just been a change in conventional wisdom that i don't know corresponds with a vote in the supreme court. in terms of the voting rights act and affirmative action, these are areas where justice kennedy believes strongly. when he believes strongly in something, that tends to drive the court to move further, faster. i would be surprised if section 5 of the voting at survives unscathed. the court sent a warning shot to congress and said you better change this thing. when it comes to affirmative action, would be quite surprised if the rule look anything like what it looks like now. >> others o
to uphold or strike down doma, two seriously change a landmark civil rights law, the voting act. are they going to take the steps or are they going to do it incrementally? >> in the same-sex marriage area, it's very difficult to predict. justice kennedy will have to things pointing in different directions. one is that this is animus about groups and the other is that the definition of marriage is a traditional thing. cases like this had no chance of prevailing in the supreme court and...
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i analyzed the situation to determine where it needed to be done and did the right thing. i think that that can happen. i think that by working together, that by being civil, you know, you have not seen any attack ads run by me. there have been attack ads run in this campaign, but not endorsed by me. i think that by partisanship is called for and can be accomplished, and i will work to do that. [applause] >> mr. plummer? >> absolutely. what i said i and my opening statements was true. the voters are hurting. they do not care if they are -- if you are republican or democrat. our farmers are struggling through one of the worst seasons they have ever seen. i announced this week that i would call for a discharge petition against leadership because they need a farm bill. there are some very serious policy issues out there now. is this right for southern illinois? there are a lot of issues that are not. obama care is bad. cap and trade is bad. the dream act is bad. i will not stand up for those issues, pushed by republican or democrat. the fact that the farm bill is not happenin
i analyzed the situation to determine where it needed to be done and did the right thing. i think that that can happen. i think that by working together, that by being civil, you know, you have not seen any attack ads run by me. there have been attack ads run in this campaign, but not endorsed by me. i think that by partisanship is called for and can be accomplished, and i will work to do that. [applause] >> mr. plummer? >> absolutely. what i said i and my opening statements was...
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. >> he takes legislation that wasn't going to pass civil rights, the tax cut bill and in an in tant johnson gets it moving towards passage. >> thank you very, very, very much. >> chris: last week, caro took part in the library of congress book festival on the national mall and made clear he made johnson come alive for many reader. >> chris: do you like him? >> i don't like him or dislike him. you are in awe of him because you are constantly saying look at what he is doing now. >> chris: he got excited talking about johnson's rise to power but as we turn to the final book he is writing now, his demeanor suddenly changed. >> the story is going to turn very dark as soon as vietnam enters the picture. it is sort of a tragic story. a story of his great dreams that are the destroyed by a war. >> chris: you are 76 now. do you ever worry that you are not going to have time to finish this last book? >> well, sure. but, you know, it is not productive to think like that. >> chris: how long do you think it will take you to finish? >> i could say three or four years but why would you believe me?
. >> he takes legislation that wasn't going to pass civil rights, the tax cut bill and in an in tant johnson gets it moving towards passage. >> thank you very, very, very much. >> chris: last week, caro took part in the library of congress book festival on the national mall and made clear he made johnson come alive for many reader. >> chris: do you like him? >> i don't like him or dislike him. you are in awe of him because you are constantly saying look at what he...
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engaged the senators in discussion of how he felt about the issues, and it became clear he felt the civil rights act, a thomas just think, he thought there was no such thing as a right to privacy to the constitution, and the senate by a vote of 58-42 said to conservative and he was voted down. ronald reagan nominated instead to that seat anthony kennedy, who was serving a liberal but was certainly no robert bork either. and he has had a long and distinguished career as, now the swing vote on the court. and that really, that set, that really set up the rehnquist years. accord which i wrote about in my last book, "the nine," and when i started looking at the supreme court in a serious way as a writer, i was inspired by book that i'm sure is familiar to many of you called the brethren by scott armstrong and bob woodward, really a great book, first real behind the scenes book of the supreme court. and 15, the theme of the book was also justices, regardless of politics couldn't stand were in burger. they thought he was at pompous jerk. that sort of contention has been the rule more than the ex
engaged the senators in discussion of how he felt about the issues, and it became clear he felt the civil rights act, a thomas just think, he thought there was no such thing as a right to privacy to the constitution, and the senate by a vote of 58-42 said to conservative and he was voted down. ronald reagan nominated instead to that seat anthony kennedy, who was serving a liberal but was certainly no robert bork either. and he has had a long and distinguished career as, now the swing vote on...
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would you consider repealing the affirmative action bill and the civil rights bill? from what i am seeing right now, it seems like there's a backlash against the white community like obama has a war against white heritage or something. i mean, i don't understand it. host: gary johnson? guest: we should not discriminate. i think government policies in the past have gotten us to a point where i really do not see that discrimination. i am going to sign onto legislation repealing affirmative action. i think we have moved beyond that. but i will just offer up a production again. -- a prediction again. obama, romney, who will find ourselves with a heightened police state. we will find ourselves with interventions. if we bomb iran, will find ourselves with 100 military enemies -- 100 million enemies that we did not otherwise have. -- the day sooner than later. are arguing over who should spend more money on medicare and when we should have the debate on an cutting into significantly into the program if we will have health care at all for those over 65. the notion of a healt
would you consider repealing the affirmative action bill and the civil rights bill? from what i am seeing right now, it seems like there's a backlash against the white community like obama has a war against white heritage or something. i mean, i don't understand it. host: gary johnson? guest: we should not discriminate. i think government policies in the past have gotten us to a point where i really do not see that discrimination. i am going to sign onto legislation repealing affirmative...
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would you consider repealing the affirmative action bill and the civil rights bill? from what i am seeing right now, it seems like there's a backlash against the white community like obama has a war against white heritage or something. i don't understand it. host: we should not discriminate. i think government policies in the past have gotten us to a point where i really do not see that discrimination. i am going to sign onto legislation repealing affirmative action. i think we have moved beyond that. but i will just offer up a production again. obama, romney, who will find ourselves with a heightened police state. we will find ourselves with continued military interventions. if we bomb iran, will find ourselves with 100 military enemies -- 100 million enemies that we did not otherwise have. and this unsustainable debt, the data center rather than later. -- the day sooner than later. and we all recognize it, but we are arguing over who should spend more money on medicare and when we should have the debate on an cutting into significantly into the program if we will h
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right now a lot of these areas aren't getting electricity. they aren't getting sanitation. how do you help the civil service help deliver services to the country so everything's not falling apart, and then waiting for that day after that we've been talking about? but as you see, it's continuing to spiral, many deaths, and while they're planning for the day after, people are dying right now. >> when is the day after? when is the day after? all right elise labott, thank you so much for that. we appreciate it. john, back to you. >> all right, 14 minutes after the hour right now. lots of news this morning. let's get the headlines from christine romans. >> with two days to go before the first of three critical debates, president obama is hunkering down in nevada, getting prepped with massachusetts senator john kerry. he's scheduled to fly in to play the part of mitt romney in practice sessions. the president trying to lower expectations at a rally in las vegas yesterday. >> mitt romney, he's a debater. i'm just okay. >> mitt romney is already in denver. "the new york times" rert
right now a lot of these areas aren't getting electricity. they aren't getting sanitation. how do you help the civil service help deliver services to the country so everything's not falling apart, and then waiting for that day after that we've been talking about? but as you see, it's continuing to spiral, many deaths, and while they're planning for the day after, people are dying right now. >> when is the day after? when is the day after? all right elise labott, thank you so much for...